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Some still think they can test braid themselves, compare one to the other yes, test it's bs, NO,,, Read more in the Forum,, Testing of lines. Paulus

   

 

 

Knot Reviews

 

                                                                   

This all works because you send in line and knots to get tested..

 

Before you buy the next spool of braid have a look at the list, and the Line Reviews & the Braid buyers Guide.        

 

Knots,, breaking strain tests.

Before you test the breaking strain of a knot you first need to know what the breaking strain of the lines are, and this cannot be done by the back yard tester.

So please do not put up on the web a lot of miss information about what is a good knot and what is not.

 

 

With fishing, well its like instrumentation, Knots, Lines and Setups you will never ever know enough. Paulus  

If you want a knot that you use reviewed or tested send me an email. paulvg@pcwi.com.au

 

Sorry to say, but all knots in braid will fail because of this bending causing tight and loose strands tight strands fail first the remainder follow.

Braid wound around a mono line, the results can vary, a knot with a slow spiral down can provide a larger foot print and be stronger, as flattening our the braid and folding it over helps, no twists in the line as that will make it fail earlier.

All knots suffer from this problem, it affects 98%, so you can lump almost all them in a basket, with a pound here or there between them. When you see the knot change colour and become translucent, that is a temperature increase doing that, and a loss of 30% in the fibers breaking strain. 

 

          

 

Knots, so what is good.

Guess I am always playing with the terrible things but what makes a good knot.

Well look at this scenario.

I tried a new knot as I do all the time, the Braid had a test bs of 22.9lb, mono had a bs of 11.78lb.

So the knot was a mix of a Blood come Albright and tested at 11.47lb, so that is 97.4% but is that good, well as a system goes - yes but I only give it a maybe, because it was the braid that failed and it failed at 51% of its abs, wonderful number that 50% and it pops up with near all knots.

So had I used a leader with a 22lb bs I would have had a 50% failure.

Hope you got the point.

 

For more on Knot failures info Look in the Tech Info forum.

 

Grinner. Updated 02,06, 2012

 

Click on Braid to Heavier Braid Leader    Plastic to Plastic.    Plait verses Bimini

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Knots Braid to Leader.

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Bimini Direct. Results :- Lighter leaders*****  Medium leaders*****

 

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot.

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, Braid Failed at 20.8 lb 94.5%.

30/45 lb leader diam 0.560, it was difficult to do but a similar result. The braid failed at 94%.

 

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Blood Double Improved. Results :- Lighter leaders*****  Medium leaders*** V Heavier Leaders Nr

 

This is a very good knot for braid to leaders with excellent strength, it can get a little bulky using heavier leaders.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 0.93 x 1.12 mm oval in shape around the braid. Leader Failed at 100%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.54 x 1.82 mm oval in shape around the braid. Braid Failed at 67%

As can be seen once the leader is heavier than the braid the braid needs a double in it (bimini twist) with the 2 legs tied to the leader.

The tag ends come out of the centre of the knot, opposite each other.

 

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FG Knot. also look at the Seblie  Result :- Nr Not one that I would use.

 

The FG knot, had me intrigued, so I thought I would try it, It is a slim braid to leader knot, where the end of the leader is heated to form a ball, the braid is twisted and looped around the leader and then up it's self.
I used 23 lb Whiplash pro braid and 50 lb Sunline FC leader
After tying one I could have done 10 albrights and 8 double bloods, but some of you seem to use these knots.

Testing it was a little bit of a surprise as the knot pulled apart, the braid separated at 1/2 the test lb, and popped off the leader, so I tied another.
It needs to be pulled up very tight as it is being tied. The problem is this knots tension is taken from the top not the bottom.
The second test again, as the braid tensions up it embeds into the leader, this allows the loops within the knot to separate, this then gives room for the loops to pop off, this knot does allow the braid to tension up on the leader but it allows the separation of the loops, the braid broke at 50% of it's test value.
This looked like a good knot, but it's not for me, must be better about.
I did a little more on that FG knot using Whiplash pro 30 lb braid and a Bimini Twist double and it still popped off, this time at 60% of the breaking strain of the braid.
I had 3 FG knots sent in to test, braid bs was 24lb, mono bs was 27lb, FG tested 18.59lb av 78%, with a low test of 15.25lb 64%.

But then I had 5 sent in using 14.5lb braid, the knots went to 12.2lb that's a good result 85%. 

 

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Grinner Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders**  Medium leaders**  V Heavy Leaders**

 

This knot takes a little time to do, doing the twists then back through is a little fiddly.

I used a 58 lb Tasline braid with a 0.344mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot, tied to Momoi 15kg IGFA.

Folding the braid would not be possible in this knot. Result was 68% of the mono bs.

The tag faces outward forward from the knot, a better knot would be available.

 

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GT Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders****  Medium leaders***  Bimini to V Heavier Leaders*****

 

This knot takes a little time to do, doing the twists is a little fiddly.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.19 x 1.23 mm oval in shape around the braid.  Leader Failed at 87%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.61 x 1.75 mm oval in shape around the braid. Braid Failed at 68%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, and a Bimini Twist double in the braid.  Braid Failed above the bimini at 97%

Folding the braid would not be possible in this knot on thinner leaders.

The tag faces outward from the knot

 

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Harro Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders**  Medium leaders Bimini to V Heavier Leaders*****

 

This knot is simple but doing the final is a little fiddly getting the braid tag end thru the spiral.

I do not recommend this knot as the braid tag crosses the braid input line this is where the most of the pressure is, it then cuts it's self on the leader, as can be seen by the results.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and  Flattened & Folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.20 x 1.26 mm round in shape.  Braid failed ???? 8.3 lb

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.34 x 1.48 mm round in shape. Braid Failed ??? 9.72 lb at 44.2%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, and a Bimini Twist double in the braid.  Braid Failed above the bimini at 96.9%

The Leader tag faces forward from the knot

 

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J Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders*****  Medium leaders*** 

 

This is a little bit of a surprise and a little fiddly to do.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.23 mm around the braid.  Leader itself Failed at 97%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.75 mm around the braid. Braid Failed at 14.9 lb 68% I tried to replicate this result but best was 12.6 lb.

The tag faces back and outward from the knot

 

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Knotenlos. Knotless wire joiner Results on :-  Lighter leaders** Medium leaders** V Heavier Leaders**

 

This is a little bit of a gadget and not the 100% some think it is. Suffers from all the same problems as all knots do. I believe this has never really been tested.

I used a 40lb Daiwa boat braid, tested at 35.53lb abs.

 I did 14 turns allowing the 2 strands of braid to twist as it was wound on, the test went 21.96lb that is 61.8%

I did 14 turns allowing the 2 strands of braid not to twist as it was wound on, by turning the knotlos rather than the braid, the test went 25.02lb that is 70.42%

The results are not bad, but I tried it on a 1.2mm wire which is big for the braided line that was used.

A .8mm wire using the same test as above and the result did not change. (for Yves) Go to a Pr knot or a solid to hollow splice.

 

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Mid Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders Nr  Medium leaders*** Updated

 

The Mid / Pr Knot are similar in design with the Mid knot being wound by hand the finish being tied around both the incoming braid and the leader, then finished with a series of loops around the incoming braid.

 

This knot takes a little time to do, the braid is twisted / spiral wound up prior to starting, this helps the the braid grip onto the leader, careful you do not have a series of knots rather than loops in the finish, or the braid will cut its self.

I do not recommend these knots for lighter lines

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter, flattened but Not folded in the knot.

30/45 lb leader diam 0.560, melted end 1.17mm, is a slim shaped knot braid is wound around the leader 1.21 mm. Braid Failed at 73%

Could I trust it,,, no. As the main line tightens on the leader, the braid stretches and the leader shrinks it can unspiral and slip off the leader.

Not so sure if this knot can be made using a double in the braid. I will leave that open at this stage.

 

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Pr Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders Nr  Medium leaders*** Updated

 

The Mid / Pr Knot are similar in design with the PR knot being wound with a weighted bobbin,  the finish being tied with a series of loops around both the incoming braid and the leader, this is when the bubble is formed on the end of the leader, then to finish a series of loops are formed around the incoming braid. Careful you do not have a series of knots rather than loops in the finish, or the braid will cut its self.

This Knot relies on the slow spiral of the main line around the leader increasing the mainlines footprint.

 

The knot takes a little time to do and with the PR knot, care is needed when heating the leader to form the bubble at the end, best is to wet the braid as it will scorch, should the bubble be formed poorly it can pop off.

When you finish this knot don't forget to unwind the twists that have been produced in the mainline braid during the making of this knot.

I do not recommend these knots for lighter lines

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter, flattened but Not folded in the knot.

30/45 lb leader diam 0.560, is a slim shaped knot braid is wound around the leader 1.21 mm. Braid Failed at 73%

Not so sure if this knot can be made using a double in the braid. I will leave that open at this stage.

Could I trust it,,, no. As the main line tightens on the leader, the braid stretches and the leader shrinks so it can slip and pop the head off the leader.

 

I have recently done Hollow core Jb 80 to leader knot  to 110lb leader tested at 69.8lb that's only 64% of the braids av abs.

 

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Nail / Centauri Knot.  Results on :-  Lighter leaders***  Medium leaders*

 

This is a quick knot to do if you have a tool to do it, and you must wet the braid to make it work.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.02 x 1.13 mm oval in shape. Leader Failed at 69%, Double braid 84%+*

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.65 x 1.98 mm oval in shape. Braid Failed at 47%, Double braid 55%

One good point is the tag end is facing back away from the leader.

 

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Seaguar Knot. Results :-  Forget this one.

Lines must be of similar diameter.

So how do you get a 0.30mm braid and a 0.30mm leader, that would be a braid with a bs of 45lb and a 10lb mono leader.

I tried it on a 60lb leader and a 48lb 4st braid 0.302mm. It slipped, you may get 40 to 45% out of this knot if you tie off the braids tag.

I then tried it on a 10lb leader and a 18lb 4st braid 0.204mm. It did not slip, but the braid failed at 7.14lb.

This is a quick knot to do, but you must wet the braid to make it pull up, result is it slips, may work on mono to mono.

 

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Sebile  Knot  also look at the FG. Result :- Nr Not one that I would use.

 

The Sebile like the FG knot, had me intrigued, so I thought I would try it, It is a slim braid to leader knot, where the end of the leader can be heated to form a ball, the braid is twisted and looped around the leader and then up it's self is also an option.

   Using a 100lb mono and a 62lb braid with a bs of its 66lb the knot tested at 73.2% of the braids abs that's better than 51% I guess.
   I tried a second knot taking more care in doing it that gave me 67.5%. I thought it may have got better.
   Just another you tube vid without a qualified test result.

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San Diego Jam Knot. Results :-  Lighter leaders*  Medium leaders* Bimini to Heavier Leaders*

 

This is a quick knot to do, but you must wet the braid to make it work, result is still poor.

You may get 40 to 50% out of this knot.

 

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Slim Beauty Knot. Results :-  Lighter leaders*  Medium leaders* Bimini to Heavier Leaders***** see note

note The bimini  may fail at 86%

I tried this knot 3 times before I did the test, don't know why they call it slim as its not

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter  and Not folded in the knot. 6/10 leader

1, single overhand in the leader & single braid through, 8 wraps around the leader 3 through loop, it slipped

2, double overhand in leader & braid through twice, 8 wraps around the leader 3 through loop, leader broke

Flattened out and folded the braid over,

3, double overhand in leader & braid through twice, 8 wraps around leader 1 through the loop, braid failed 32%

3, 20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.62 x 1.73 mm oval in shape around the braid. Braid Failed at 54%

3, Same test with a bimini the two legs through a double overhand, 8 around 1 through loop, Braid Failed at 97%

The tag end does face backwards at a 45 deg angle, but its a big knot and poorly named.

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Spider hitch / loop  Results :- Lighter leaders** Medium leaders**

 

Do not pull the braid knot up tight before doing the leader knot.

I used a 45.29lb braid with a 0.322 mm average diameter and flattened Not folded in the knot.

This was with 15 turns and tested at 22.54lb that is 49.7%, just does not work with braid. 

Hitch test went 22.54lb that's 49.7%.

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Stren Knot. Results :- Lighter leaders*** Medium leaders**

 

Do not pull the leader knot up to tight before doing the braid knot.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and flattened Not folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.20 x 1.35 mm oval in shape around the braid.   Leader Failed at 79%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.55 x 1.78 mm oval in shape around the braid.  Braid Failed 12.42 lb, 56%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, with the braid flattened and folded.  Braid Failed 13.5 lb, at 61%

This is a Uni on the leader and a type of clinch / blood on the braid, the braid in this case cuts itself, due to the braid trying to pull its tag thru the leader knot. It tends to shred the braid.

 

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Stren Knot, reversed knots.

A slight improvement but nothing to write home about. This may make it a little easier to do.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.20  mm in shape around the braid.   Leader Failed at 82%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.55 mm in shape around the braid.  Braid Failed 13.1 lb, 59%.

 

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Twisted leader Knot. Results :- Lighter leaders*** Medium leaders**

 

A lot of winding and fooling about with this one, harder to do on thinner lines.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and flattened Not folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.20 x 1.35 mm oval in shape around the braid.   Leader Failed at 81%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.56 x 1.68 mm.  Braid Failed 12.44 lb, 56%

This is a big knot and I would try another knot to do.

 

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Uni Double Improved. Results, Lighter leaders*** Medium leaders** Bimini to Heavier Leaders*****

(hangmans).

This is a reasonably good knot for braid to lighter leaders with reasonable strength, it can get a little bulky using heavier leaders.

Although this is an easy knot to tie, it is not as strong as the double blood, I use this to tie breaks in my braid, when I am in a hurry.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter and Folded in the knot.

6/10 lb leader diam 0.262 can get to 1.20 x 1.35 mm oval in shape around the braid.   Leader Failed at 79%

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444, can get to 1.55 x 1.78 mm oval in shape around the braid.  Braid Failed at 59%

As can be seen once the leader is heavier than the braid, the braid needs a double in it (bimini twist) with the 2 legs tied to the leader. Bimini on 30/45 lb leader diam 0.560, Braid failed at 97%

Tag end faces out from the knot, slightly back, this is also known as the fishing fools knot.

 

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Yucatan Knot.  Results on :-  Lighter leaders Nr Medium leaders Nr Bimini to Heavier Leaders*****

 

This knot was designed to be used with a loop in this case a bimini was used, went very well.

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter.

30/45 lb leader diam 0.560, the braid failed at 100% .

With this knot the leader must form around the braid and on some hard leaders this may not be possible.

I did try this with a single strand of braid and tying the tag end of the braid to the leader tag, braid failed at 49% it seems to shred the braid, tried many times on lighter leaders.

 

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Grinner Knot. Results on :-  Lighter braids* Medium braids Heavier braids*

 

This knot takes a little time to do, doing the twists then back through is a little fiddly.

I used a 58 lb Tasline braid with a 0.344mm average diameter and Not folded in the knot.

Folding the braid would not be possible in this knot. The tag faces forward from the knot, a better knot would be available.

You can do this a few ways so I did one as a chain link.

6 turns then 6 turns back through, did this both sides, tested 15.81lb. Thought I must have done that wrong so did it again, tested 16.20lb. That is only 27% of abs.

Then I tried it with one line overlapping the other and doing 10 turns up and 10 turns back through, same on the other side, that tested 25.83lb, that is 44% of abs.

Most braid to braid knots will test about 50 to 55%, so this is not a good one at all.

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Braid to Heavier Braid as a leader

 

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New Paulus Light Braid to Heavy Braid. Leader Knot.

 

I used a 22 lb braid with a 0.222 mm average diameter as the Main line and Folded in the knot.

I used a 78 lb braid with a 0.461 mm average diameter as the Leader and Not Folded in the knot.

1. I joined the two braid lines using a Uni knot.  Result Main line failed at 12.2 lb, 55.4% 

2. I joined the two braid lines using an improved double Blood knot.  Result Main line failed at 16.4 lb, 74.5%

A Bimini Direct

3. I joined the two lines using a Bimini Twist knot.  Result Main braid line failed at 21.9 lb, 99.5% 

How to, Bimini Twist knot, but with a difference, I tied onto the end of the main line, a length of the heavy braid with a simple knot(a), I then made the Bimini, cut the tag, I then cut the main line (smaller) of the loop at the join(a) and tied it off onto the heavier line, then cut the thinner line tag off short, this leaves a very strong join via the bimini to the larger braid leader.

 

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Plastic to Plastic.

 

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Blood Double. Results :- Lighter leaders??  Medium leaders***

 

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444 to 20/28 lb leader, Knot failed at 17.3 lb, 78.6%

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Nail / Centauri Knot. Results on :-  Lighter leaders??  Medium leaders*

 

20/28 lb leader diam 0.444 to 20/28 lb leader, Knot failed at 12.3 lb, 44%

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Knots Plastic to Terminal. 

 

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To come

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Loops in Lines

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Surgeons End Loop. Results, Lighter leaders***** Medium leaders***** Heavier LeadersNr

 

20/28 lb Plastic type leader diam 0.444, Twice through the loop, Line broke at 25.4 lb, 90.7%

In Braids this knot may give up to 55% of the lines test strength, dependent on braid type.

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Bimini in Braid.

 

I did a 50 turn bimini on my Bimini tool,

Generally,, after testing results that is after a lot of testing,,,,, 86% you can get better but is operator and braid dependant.

 

Test carried out using Bionic braid 30 lb 8 strand. Tested at 64.74 lb.

On testing it went 48.62 lb, failure was the mainline pulling out and breaking in the twist. 75.1%

 

Test carried out using Pelagic test 22.0 lb braid with a 0.222 mm diam, 

On testing it went 21.9 lb, Main braid line failed at  99.5%.

As can be seen the result is dependant on the knot ability and the type of braid.

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I did a 50 turn bimini on the Bimini tool,

 

Test carried out using Berkley Trilene 10kg IGFA. Tested 19.55 lb 0.403mm diam,

Testing the loop the main line it's self failed at 19.32 lb leaving the bimini and loop intact. 98.8%

This was a better than expected result. I will do a 15 kg test

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Plait in Braid.

 

The plait looked very good and neat, it was about a 100 weave with a 10 weave finish.

 

Test carried out using Bionic braid 30 lb 8 strand. Tested at 64.74 lb.

On testing it went 49.14 lb, failure was the mainline pulling out and breaking at the 10 weave finish point. at the end of the day this is where the line crosses itself.

 

Test carried out using Pelagic test 22.0 lb braid with a 0.222 mm diam, 

Testing the loop the main line failed at the start of the plait at 15.04 lb leaving the bimini and loop intact. 68.4%, I will do a little more with this

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Plait in Mono.

The plait looked very good and neat, it was about a 100 weave with a 10 weave finish.

 

Test carried out using Berkley Trilene 10kg IGFA. Tested 19.55 lb 0.403mm diam, a soft limp mono.

Testing the loop the main line it's self failed at 19.30 lb leaving the Plait and loop intact.

 I will do a 15 kg test

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Plait verses Bimini in Braid

 

Test carried out using Bionic 30 lb 8 strand. Tested at 64.74 lb this is a very nice limp braid.

 

I was sent the line and Plait (loop) by Andrew, he was wondering how the line and the plait would go, it seams that he uses this plait loop a lot.

The plait looked very good and neat, it was a 100 weave with a 10 weave finish.

On testing it went 49.14 lb, failure was the mainline pulling out and breaking at the 10 weave finish point. at the end of the day this is where the line crosses itself.

 

I thought I wonder how a bimini compares to this.

I did a 50 turn bimini on my Bimini tool, the finish was my special ( Tag, down and up through the 2 legs, back over the top of both, back down around the back, then through the loop at the end of the twist) finish with 3 over hand loops.

On testing it went 48.62 lb, failure was the mainline pulling out and breaking in the twist.

 

The Plait is just slightly thinner in the join than the Bimini, not sure as to which is the easier to do, both take a little time, maybe with the bimini tool the bimini may be an easier loop to do.

If you are looking at trolling I would prefer the Bimini as the water pressure on the Plait can push the start back down the line (if it is not tight enough). The Plait needs some stretch in the line so it grips and holds, you do not get this with braid.

I seems this braids knot ability is about at what the results were, and you could not expect a better result, with some braids we can expect 97%.

Well at the end of the day with little between them, both work well.

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Plait verses Bimini in Mono

 

Test carried out using Berkley Trilene 10kg IGFA. Tested 19.55 lb 0.403mm diam, a soft limp mono.

 

The plait looked very good and neat, it was about a 100 weave with a 10 weave finish. I tried to keep it similar to the braid one

Testing the loop the main line it's self failed at 19.30 lb leaving the Plait and loop intact.

 

The 50 turn Bimini was created with the bimini twist tool, the top layer of the twist seemed to be separated a little as you go from the initial twist to a wrap around.

Testing the loop the main line it's self failed at 19.32 lb leaving the bimini and loop intact. this was a better than expected result.

 

With the bimini result being as good as it is I think I will  redo all my game gear that currently has Plaits, as I struggle doing them.

With me doing the Plaits it took time, using the bimini tool is a much quicker way of  forming a double loop.

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