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Some still think they can test braid themselves, compare one to the other yes, test it's bs, NO,,, Read more in the Forum,, Testing of lines. Paulus

   

 

 

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General Information page.   

 

                                            

                                            Your knot is going to fail and this is why, tight and loose strands in the radii.

 

This page is relevant to all you fisho's, casting small poppers to Bream or dropping deep to blue eye Cod.

When reading the information on this page, it may present more questions than answers, but I may be slowly getting there.

It answers most of the issues raised on some 1800 websites that visit here. And yes it's a lot of work. Paulus

 

Abrasion resistance of Braid.

Bimini's some facts.

Braids Listed breaking strains.

Counterfeit braids.

Electric reels.

Fishing deep, Knots, Joins, Shockers & Leaders.

Fish thinner & stronger. 

Fishing websites. to come 

Hollow or solid braid

Knots,, just a little info.

Knots,, breaking strain tests. 

Lack of understanding.

Leader line, 5 spools tested.

Leader, shocker, what / why. 

Leaders, Choose between mono/fluoro. 

Line and knot miss information.

Spooling up a Spinning reel. 

Strands in braid more/less. T

Terminology, Phrases used

Testing braid yourself.

Test results by Paulus.

XX Just love your lines Paulus.

Uni Knot.

 

 Abrasion resistance of Braid. 

Interesting, these are comments thrown about without any thought what so ever. Depends if it is under load or in a slack situation. Rubbing it on a brick won't help.

Each  situation will be different, but a good quality fiber would be better than a poor one, then a larger line would be better, as would a heat treated line.

Near all these braided lines are similar. Fused lines are a little better. After treatments can enhance braids a little by making them rounder more compact so they do not catch on any roughness.

 

Bimini's some facts.

Working on it, but the 12 turn is absolutely out the window, as is 25 turns and 35 turns, nothing less that 50 turns.

I think this 12 turn bimini needs to be put to rest as a lot of fishos still believe that it works, as you can see the 25 turn is not even good enough, and 100% is never going to happen with a bimini, the twists in the line makes the braid max out at an absolute 86%, if you are lucky.

 

Braids listed breaking strains.

This is where breaking strains that are listed (as sold to you), are total unknowns and foreign to reality.

To talk about 20lb or 30lb listed lines means absolutely nothing as they are just numbers without any reference or reality, as 20lb can be 17lb and then 65lb, the 30lb can be 90lb, so what is it you are using. If you were looking for a 20lb braid and I said use a 40lb or 50lb line you would say what do I want with a braid that strong, that would be too big, but it may be thinner.

but then if you are happy with the diameter you are using then its great, but that is an unknown as well, so do you know what is thick or thin.

 

Counterfeit braids.

 

  This is a fake PowerPro 3 strand 6lb what a mess. All that in less than a meter.

I have been sent 2 x 20lb braid lines in for testing, Berkley Fire line tracer and a Power pro.

The lines supplier tells me he suspects that the Power pro as being a Chinese knock off, but the Berkley Fire line tracer is a legitimate sample or maybe it came from the cutting room floor as the price was right.

On the fake Power Pro the product barcodes are the same for all the lines, and they should differ.

Well all that is a dilemma, and I still needed to look at it and test it.

 

Lets look at the Power pro sent in, (thought to be a fake)

At this stage I think to Power pro brand has been severely damaged by either themselves by mislabelling, maybe then by the Chinese fakes if their are any, to see that a previous line has been tested and listed at 50lb, with a 0.366 diam with a test bs of 47lb, and you sending a line in as a 20lb with a similar result, still a 4 strand ropeish line.

Most of this brands line up is not all that good. The lines in the EU and in the USA are very different, seems that maybe they are caught up in this situation.

At the end of the day what is it you are being sent and from where.

For instant a 6lb equivalent braid (as this was listed) is aprox 0.212mm to 0.262mm in diameter not 0.362mm as this was measured.

 

Lets look at the Berkley Fire line tracer sent in, (thought to be original).

It seems that this line may be a fake although was not expected to be,,, but is it?, all the tracer series I have tested were 8 strand lines, the line sent in was a 4 strand, that is unless the manufacturer slipped this in as stocks were low.

It's bs was 37lb for 0.370mm (very heavy & thick), the bs kind of fits in the group but the diameter does not, the fact that it has 4 strands all the other listed lines have 8 strands, Mmmmm makes you wonder. So if you have a 20lb Berkley Fire line tracer braid I would be counting the strands.

So a low cost line or a good dollar deal may be just a poor quality line.

What a mess.

Are the Chinese over stepping the mark ????? that's if they are responsible.

 

Electric reels.

 

   Shimano Dendou Maru & Beastmaster

   Daiwa Tanacom series

   Miya Epoch

   Banax

   Ryobi

   Kristal.

 

 

The known abs of the Tasline braid All White Series is very thin and well suited for these reels, and deep drop fishing.

You Can use a hollow braid this makes it a very strong line system as you can do away with line failure at the knot.

Tasline All White Series Solid braid being thinner will allow more line on the smaller lower cost reels.

Best to fish with a thin braid high strength braid then with a solid to hollow splice again doing away with the poor knotability of braid.

                                                              

   The Beast master 9000 holds 1000yd of Tasline 12st 80lb hollow.

   You may note, the Tasline is a better suited line and has a far greater range than what is available from the reel suppliers.

   Tasline has a very high bs to diameter ratio wider range and much lower in cost.

 

 

 

 

 

Fish thinner & stronger.

It works like this.

You can put on a 100lb or 150lb heavier thicker braid and then loose 50% to a braid knot, so you have a very thick 50lb or 75lb breaking strain line to fish with, or fish thinner like a 83lb tested Tasline braid, go with a solid to hollow splice and fish very thin at 83lb. Less drag, less belly in the line, down faster and stronger, and if casting,,, cast further.

But when fishing deep you can use the same 100/150lb braids use the hollow Pullon system and fish even stronger again.

 

 Fishing deep, Knots, Joins, Shockers & Leaders.

Never terminate the braid to a terminal, always use a shocker, knots to a shocker are also better left out, go to a solid to hollow system, Pr knot is good but a lot of work.

We do have a difference between shocker and leader, the leaders should be below the shockers on big setups.

I think you also need to take into account the mono / plastic lines also break 10% below test when wet.

When using a braid with a test bs the shocker can be the same bs provided you have the test information. The IGFA lines generally break just below when wet and knot well, especially the Momoi.

I then see it as you are cutting very close to the braid's bs, hoping that the shockers knot to swivel, will fail first saving the leader. This knot would be the Fuse.

When looking at the breaking strain of a 300lb leader you are not looking at bs but wearability, its the diameter rather than the bs.

Like I have said if you have one fish on, more comes into play with wearability of an all in one leader shocker. With 2 fish on you need a heavier leader and you will get away with the same bs shocker, as a lot of load is generated between the fish as they fight each other.

 

Hollow or solid braid

A few options (5) available with this. Full hollow, full solid, solid with a hollow topshot or a Pullon hollow loop or shocker, hollow with the same.

Full hollow. Stronger, a little more costly, you can do away with knots that would let you down. Joins and splices are strong and easy.

Full Solid. More lines to choose from, knots and joins to leaders can be a problem, I would normally say solid is thinner but the Tasline hollow is thin.

Solid with a hollow topshot, this is the best of both worlds, You still have a loop in the end of the hollow then go loop to loop, or put a mono leader into the hollow, out fishing is not the time or place to do this.

Solid with a Pullon shocker / leader. This is the quickest way to change leader / shockers when using a solid braid,,,, (you need to learn how to make these here) very quick to do especially in a boat.

Hollow with the above Pullon system.

 

Knots,, breaking strain tests.

Before you test the breaking strain of a knot you first need to know what the breaking strain of the lines are, and this cannot be done by the back yard tester.

So please do not put up on the web a lot of miss information about what is a good knot and what is not, to say this knot is good when you do not know the braid's full capability is.

A Scenario,,,, If you have a braid listed as 20lb and have a knot strength of 19lb you would say, great result 95%- good knot,,, but in fact the braid tests at 38lb, so the knot is 50% not a good result.

All the above leads to the following info.

 

Knots,, just a little info

Well this is what breaks them all. Tight and loose strands. All knots have this.

 

Guess I am always playing with these terrible Knots, but what makes a good knot.

Well look at this scenario.

I tried a new knot as I do all the time, the Braid was very very thin although it had a test bs of 22.9lb, mono had a bs of 11.78lb.

So the knot was a mix of a Blood come Albright and tested at 11.47lb, so that is 97.4% of the mono's abs, but is that good, well as a system goes - yes,,, but I only give it as a maybe, because it was the braid that failed and it failed at 51% of its abs, wonderful number that 50% and it pops up with most knots.

So had I used a leader with a 22lb bs I would have had a 50% failure.

Hope you got the point.

 

Lack of understanding.

 

All the information listed on this site is in revolution mode, although it seems that a lack of understanding exists in some countries, the information that is available on the web is little understood in many areas, maybe in some places its just old country thinking or direct translation problems.

It seems to cut across some of these countries, maybe it is actually the lack of under standing of the information available, then maybe after all it's just age long trust that is long gone.

The site struggles in France, Norwegian and the Panama areas.

Much of it through their own self interest,  it seems I could never make the results honest enough for some of you.  Sorry guys, but it may take a few more generations.

 

Leader, shocker, what / why.  

What is it you are looking for in a leader, a shocker, stopping hook pulls, a fuse, abrasion resistance, protection against toothy critters, wearability.  

So,,, for lure casting I push for 2 rod lengths of all of the above and an all in one line.

I am not a fond lover of fluoro lines as leaders, then why most of you use them ultra short I do not understand, to hard to knot, very costly and the braid hates it, I like a medium hardness mono as a shocker/leader.  

Fishing lighter leaders around toothy critters I recommend that you have a 100mm long surgeons end loop in the leader tied via a knot to the lure.

For all bigger style fishing the shocker / leader is in two stages, the shocker should be less in wet strength than the main braid line, the leader should be a suitable line to suit the style of fishing and the fish that you are looking for.

Keep in mind the plastic lines loose some strength when wet, not as much with fluoro as with mono. 

 

Leaders, Choose between mono/fluoro. 

Working on it

 

Leader line 5 spools tested. 

Well, I always test a spool of line as time has shown never to trust what is on that spool and again I was right. This is an area that is overlooked by many fishos

All this line was sold and labelled as 60lb. Results were 63lb, 75lb, 80lb, 81lb, and a surprise 20lb judging by the diameter.

A lot of difference between 60lb and 80lb especially if you are relying on it having a certain bs as a shocker / fuse to save you loosing a lot of braid on a bust off.

I also tested 4 x 100lb spools, tests showed 119lb, 125lb, 130lb, and 138lb, makes you wonder what it is you are using.  

 

Line and knot miss information.

You have a group of guys talking about 20lb braid and how good each one is, then one states use knot X as it works well and has never let me down.

So far great, but he is using a 20lb line that has a test bs of 56lb and the other has a 20lb braid that has a test bs of 18lb.

The Guy boasting how well knot X does is right to some extent, his braid is 56lb with a knot strength of 50% = 28lb on what he thinks is a 20lb line that is good, but is it, the other 20lb line does not fare so well 18lb with a 50% knot strength = 9lb, so that knot is not so good if he was to use it.

So all these websites discussions and YouTube videos are very misleading as none of the work has actually been tested.

 

Spooling up a Spinning reel.

If it has been spooled up before that is great as you would know that the line lays in the right place.

You may have seen the little plastic washers that come with a new reel, these are for adjusting the spools position, hence you can have more line on the front of the spool which is not what you want, you should have more at the back of the spool. This is to stop the problem of line wrap on the guides and so called wind knots.

 

  Having said all that, if you buy a new reel in a shop and they spool it for you on an auto spooler,,,,

   That is where the spool is taken off the reel then filled, you will never know if the line lays in the correct position.

  That is you won't know until you start getting guide wrap and so called wind knots.

   Wind it on yourself, look at where the line lays on the spool, a little more to the back.

  You also need to put on the lower 2/3 at 1/3 the reels drag or the lines abs which ever is the lesser.

  Do not over fill the spool. 

 

Spooling up Bait caster / Spinning reel.

 

   Spools on which the line is supplied are generally not loaded in such a way that you can put high drag pressure on them.

   You can and will damage the line and maybe even the spool the spool.

   Use a line spooler tensioner like this to create drag, simple to make at home.

  You can put cloth tape on the inside of the tensioning spool, and under it to create more friction & drag.

   Do not wind the line onto a bait caster reel and then spool it onto another fishing reel as you will damage the line.

   You will start off with a set amount of drag that will increase as the inner diameter gets smaller, you will get dig in.  

    

Strands in braid more/less.

This is an area that is overlooked by many fishos, so what does it all mean. First look at the photo .

 

Well a 3 strand line is generally flat and ribbon like, 4 strand braided line can be very ropey when the fiber used is larger and of poorer quality.

The lines in the photo are very different, one being a 8 strand made with a high quality fiber, each strand spun before it was woven, not so for the other on the right.

Some new lines are now 6 strand, these are a less rope like and rounder / smoother, less drag in the water, although not as smooth as a 8 strand, an 8 strand will lay a little flatter on the spool but not while in use in the water. Both are a little different for which they are used, the 8 strand is great for jigging and trolling, the 6 strand may well be a better casting line, a little stiffer than a 8 strand. Why you may ask,,, for the same size and bs the 6 strand will use larger strands/fibers.

After treatments carried out by a few manufacturers like Tasline will reduce the final diameter making it just a little tighter,,,, not noticeable to most, increasing the breaking strain.

 

Terminology, and Phrases used for Fishing line

ABS, average breaking strain

Braid, multiple strands woven together to become a single braided line

BS, breaking strain

Carrier, an alternative name for strands ( as the carrier holds the strands in a braiding process

Denier, size name given to a strand

Denier, size name given to fibres, single fibres, bundles of fibres or completed threads/lines. Units are weighed in grams for a specific length ( 9000m )

Diam (av), average diameter

Diam, diameter

Dyneema, a polyethylene gel spun high density fibre brand name manufactured under licence to Dutch DSM Co

Fibre, individual fibres bundled together to make up a strand

Fluoro, generally meant as a fluorocarbon line, is meant as a hard wearing line, but can be used as the term fluorescent line / high visibility.

Fused braid lines, strands woven then temperature treated to almost become one

Gram per denier grm/den, strand strength stated as grams per denier

Hard, hardness, a term I use on plastic lines, for comparison purposes between lines of same diameter

HDPE fiber, high density polyethylene

HMWPE  fibre - high molecular weight polyethylene

Hollow braid, generally a 12 to 16 or 20 strand line that can be inserted into

Leader, section of line added to the working end of the mainline is different to the mainline, different  material, stronger, lighter etc

Mono, being a single strand, although the term is used as a softer plastic fishing line

Mono, monofilament being a single fibre/filament strand, although the term is generally  used in reference to nylon based fishing lines

Nylon,  specific monomer  extruded to make a fishing line, also copolymers as a mixture of 2 or more monomers

PE, polyethylene, braids are known to be made from or called

PE, as a size unit of braided fishing line, size common in Asia

Shocker, a softer stretchy line added to the end of a braided line

Pics, pitches or weaves per inch / centimetre

Solid braid, lines using 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, strands woven with no centre tube

Spectra, polyethylene fibre brand name manufactured by Honeywell in the USA.

Stated BS, stated breaking strain as listed on the packaging by the manufacturer

Strands, bundles of fibres used to make a single strand

TEX, an alternative size name ( with different units to denier ) given to fibres, single fibres, bundles of fibres or completed threads/lines. The units are weight in grams for a speific  length - 1000m

Topshot, a line added to the end of the mainline, can be a solid or hollow braid or a plastic line longer than a leader

UHDPE fiber, ultra high density polyethylene

UHMWPE fiber, ultra high molecular weight Pplyethylene

UTS, ultimate test / tensile strength, just before it breaks

Weave expressed as Pics, pitches or weaves per inch / centimetre

 

Testing braid yourself.

I keep saying you cannot do this yourself in the backyard so to speak, you will get results 30% low and up to 50% low,  near every time.

Some still think they can. Best you have a good read here

 

Test results by Paulus.

It has taken years to get to this point, testing every day, spending a lot of time on researching and developing braid holding methods, this translates to higher actual higher breaking strain results leading to better manufactured braided lines.

The listed test results have been achieved by using certified test equipment and worlds best practice in braid holding methods.

Should you find you can't equal my test results it does not mean that my results are wrong, but that you are testing it incorrectly.

Many of you do not seem to get the message that you cannot test lines yourself, your own results should reflect that fact.

 

Uni Knot.

For those that use the Uni knot with braid to mono in any format you are wasting your bloody time and effort, but it is quick and quick is not strong.

 

Fish thinner & stronger.

It works like this.

You can put on a 100lb or 150lb heavier thicker braid and then loose 50% to a braid knot, so you have a very thick 50lb or 75lb breaking strain line to fish with, or fish thinner like a 83lb tested Tasline braid, go with a solid to hollow splice and fish very thin at 83lb. Less drag, less belly in the line, down faster and stronger, and if casting,,, cast further.

But when fishing deep you can use the same 100/150lb braids use the hollow Pullon system and fish even stronger again.

 

Love your lines Paulus!

I got 475m of the 3x100 15lb on a Stella 4000XG. I keep the drag at 15lb and have been giving macks, trevally and tuna cardiac arrests. I'm planning to order the 4x100 and put 1k onto a revo toro60 and see if it's marlin capable.

Nice lines! Keep up the good work!

 

Frightening reel capacities of Tasline

The thinness and uniformity of the All White Series is rather daunting. 300+ yds on a patriarch 9530 using the carbon shallow spool and well over 125yd on a conquest 50s (possibly one of the shallowest spools around).

 

Hi Paulus 

    Just a quick note to let you know that the 12lb 6st braid I ordered from you has arrived.
    First impressions are good, it's nice and thin in fact it does not appear to be much thicker than 3 lb powerpro!!!!!!!!, also it's got a nice smooth feel to it.

I am in NZ and ordered some line off Paulus

This Aussie dude Paulus has been around for a while line testing, he has a very informative website. He has teamed up with Tasline from NZ and started his own line of braid.

I just bought some PE3.5 (78lb) of Tasline All White. It looks the goods. Real thin and smooth, feels nice.

I had been fishing with JB hollow 60lb and had a capacity problem, needed to put more on for deep drops on my PE4.

JB hollow 60lb also has a breaking strain of around 80lb, it is a nice braid but too thick for the PE4.

I got a full 500 yards of Tasline PE3.5 on my PE4, that's mean!!!

Paulus sent a sample of his other lines, from PE.2 to PE8, they also look pretty impressive. His lighter lines (PE .2, .4) are crazy thin, doesn't seem possible you could fish them!

He also sent a couple of samples of his innovative 'pull on leaders' which allow you to use a wind-on with the solid mainline, no splicing needles, for a near 100% connection.

I fished it the other day, fishes real nice, coated so doesn't absorb much water, not too limp or stiff. I cant comment on durability yet, but my initial thoughts are; its the bomb!

I paid about $115 for 500yards of the PE3.5, including postage. I would rate it higher than some braids twice the price.

Unless I get unexplained failures I will be getting more for my other reels for sure.

 

 

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